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wildflowerintn
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Posted 02/22/05 - 12:42 PM:
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This may have been addressed in other places, however I am getting very confused. So to put my question in its own place, here we go:

I am trying to setup WSN Links to allow only sponsored per click listings. I do not want my customers to bid on keywords, I just want them listed in the directory in categories they choose themselves, and only charged if a visitor clicks through thier listing to thier details page or website.

I also do not want to offer regular links at all. I may consider recip links, but only to be shown in a top 20 directory or something like that.

So, what is the best way to go about all this? I have looked into ppc search engines, but they all require the customer to choose specific keywords, I just want them in the directory, to only pay if they get clicked through.

Thanks,
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http://www.tennesseelakevacations.com/directory
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Posted 02/22/05 - 02:57 PM:
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Have you looked into the link sponsorship pages in the manual?

First, all links (regular, recip, sponsor) are all the same, they just get displayed differently by default in the templates.

So with your default settings you have two link types (regular and recip)

Rename reguar into sponsor.

Activate the link sponsorship option, there is an option for deducting per click (PPC)

In your templates (display links, search, etc..)
make <--begin recip links--> into <--begin sponsor links-->
make <--begin regular links--> into <--begin recip links-->

This makes the sponsor links appear above recip, and they have a star beside them and are bold, etc... (you can change this of course)

Make sure "mix link types" is set to no, it tells you to do this in the sponsor area anyway, but dont forget.

This should give you a start, or at least let you ask more specific questions.

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Posted 02/22/05 - 09:22 PM:
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Thank you, great, i am so far on the right track. I actually replaced recip with sponsors like you said, but deleted regular, as I do not want recip links in the directory. Sorry, that part changed.

Ok, so now all I have showing are sponsors links. However, the problem I am stumbling at now is this: How does a customer get his link sponsored if it is not in the directory already. From what I can tell the only way they can sponsor their link is to click on details in the link directory and click on the sponsor button there. Is there a direct way they can sponsor a link before they even put in the information? I would like to create an "Advertise with us" page, send them to a specific link where they can put funds in thier account, and then when that has been done, they will be taken to a page where they can put thier link info in. Any ideas how to accomplish this? Is it possible?
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Posted 02/22/05 - 11:47 PM:
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They won't be able to submit a link as a sponsor, they have to sponsor it after its in the directory.

So thats probably a feature suggestion.

I'm good at doing terrible work arounds, so I may do somethink like below.

In the view profile template, it has a toplist that displays the last 5 links you've submitted. Change this toplist so that it shows only "regular" links, including "unvalidated" links. Also change the template to:
<a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/link.php?action=sponsor&id={LINKID}">Turn on the ad - {LINKTITLE}</a>

Change the view profile template title, so that it looks more like an "Advertiser Control Panel." And probably delete some of the other stuff in there that you wouldn't use on a PPC engine.

Change it back so that members can submit regular links, but don't show them in your template.

Now on your advertise page explain that you must:

1) Register an account
2) Submit all the ads you want, in every category you would like
3) Go to your advertiser center and activate these ads

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Posted 02/23/05 - 10:40 AM:
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Hi again,

Would this be what it would look like then on the view profile template?

<!-- BEGIN TOPLIST 1 -->
<CONFIG>links,time,5,descending,ownerid={MEMBERID},type='regular',type='unvalidated'</CONFIG>
<a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/link.php?action=sponsor&id={LINKID}">Sponsor this link - {LINKTITLE}</a>

<!-- END TOPLIST 1 -->

Again, I really thank you for your help, I was fixing to give it up, but couldnt find any other program i liked as well as this one.
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Posted 02/23/05 - 11:25 AM:
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type='unvalidated' isn't right, The type field only relates to sponsor, regular, recip, etc.. The toplist generator can help you here.

Try the below. The allow unvalidated is the "1" after the three commas (i think)

<!-- BEGIN TOPLIST 1 -->
<CONFIG>links,time,5,descending,type='regular' and ownerid={MEMBERID},,,1,0,0,0</CONFIG>
<a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/link.php?action=sponsor&id={LINKID}">Sponsor this link - {LINKTITLE}</a> {LINKADMIN}<br><br>
<!-- END TOPLIST 1 -->

Don't give up!
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Posted 02/23/05 - 01:27 PM:
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With your help, its coming along real nice.

Ok, so now I have the toplists in the template for the unsponsored links. I am getting this error message.

Warning: mysql_num_rows(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /home/tennlake/public_html/directory/classes/database.php on line 82

Any ideas? I hope its a good thing to do, but I am going to paste the code below to show you.


<div class="nav"><a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/">WSN Support </a> > <a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/members/">Member List</a> > {MEMBERNAME}</div><br>

<p><center><span class="title">Information for "{MEMBERNAME}"</span> {MEMBERADMIN}</center></p>
<br>
<IF {MEMBERAVATAR}> <img src="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/attachments/{MEMBERAVATARNAME}" alt=""> <br> </IF>

<IF {MEMBERALLOWUSEREMAIL} and {THISMEMBERGROUPCANEMAILMEMBERS} and {MEMBERHASEMAIL}>
<p><span class="labels">E-Mail:</span> <a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/emailmember.php?id={MEMBERID}">Send an E-mail to {MEMBERNAME}</a></p>
</IF>

<IF 0 and {MEMBERACCEPTPMS}><p><span class="labels">Private Messaging:</span> <a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/privatemessaging.php?action=send&sendto={MEMBERID}">Send a PM to {MEMBERNAME}</a></p></IF>

<p><span class="labels">Registered:</span> {MEMBERREGDATE}</p>

<p><span class="labels">Usergroup:</span> {MEMBERGROUPTITLE}</p>

<p><span class="labels">Rating:</span> $rating = ($this->topics * $this->linkratingnorm()) + ($this->posts * $this->commentapprovalnorm())</p>

<p><span class="labels">Links Submitted:</span> {MEMBERLINKS} links<IF 1>, with {MEMBERTOTALHITSIN} hits in and {MEMBERTOTALHITS} hits out.</IF></p>

<IF {TOPLISTTOTAL1}><p><span class="labels">Unsponsored Links:</span></p></IF>
<!-- BEGIN TOPLIST 1 -->
<CONFIG>links,time,10,descending,type='regular',ownerid={MEMBERID},,,1,0,0,0</CONFIG>
<a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/link.php?action=sponsor&id={LINKID}">Sponsor this link - {LINKTITLE}</a><br><br>
<!-- END TOPLIST 1 -->
<br>

<IF {TOPLIST1MULTIPAGE}>
Page: {TOPLIST1PREVIOUS} <b>{TOPLIST1CURRENTPAGE}</b> {TOPLIST1NEXT}
<br></IF>

<center>
[<a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/search.php?filled=1&condition==&whichtype=links&searchfields[0]=ownerid&search={MEMBERID}">Find all links submitted by {MEMBERNAME}</a>]<br>
<br>

<IF 1><p><span class="labels">Comments Posted:</span><br></center>{MEMBERCOMMENTS}</p></IF>

<IF 1>
<IF {TOPLISTTOTAL2}><p><span class="labels">Most recent comments:</span></p></IF>
<!-- BEGIN TOPLIST 2 -->
<CONFIG>comments,time,5,descending,ownerid={MEMBERID}</CONFIG>
<a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/comments.php?id={COMMENTLINKID}">{COMMENTMESSAGE[50 <,> remove]}</a> {COMMENTADMIN} <br>
<!-- END TOPLIST 2 -->
<br>
<IF {TOPLIST2MULTIPAGE}>
Page: {TOPLIST2PREVIOUS} <b>{TOPLIST2CURRENTPAGE}</b> {TOPLIST2NEXT}
<br>
[<a href="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums/search.php?filled=1&condition==&whichtype=comments&searchfields[0]=ownerid&search={MEMBERID}">Find all comments posted by {MEMBERNAME}</a>]
</IF>
</IF>
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Posted 02/23/05 - 01:41 PM:
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look at the syntax of my toplist, you added a comma between the type and memberid. It should be 'and'

btw, you should really get familiar with the toplist generator in the admin panel
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Posted 02/24/05 - 11:04 AM:
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YAYYYYYYYYYYYy everything is working great!! Thank you so very much, your help was wonderful!!

You seem to be a guru of workarounds..... grins..... so I hope you dont mind me asking a couple of extra questions.

How can we fix it to send email automatically when funds are getting low for each sponsor?

For the paypal form:
I would like the quanitity to default to my bonus amount, 500 clicks instead of 1 and the price to default to $50 bucks, I tried to change the quanitity in the line below for undefined_quantity value, but it didnt work. It still showed the 1. Also, I would like to get rid of the Total amount, as it does not refresh when putting in a different amount and I feel it is misleading. I would also like to add a text field reminding customers they must enter the amount of CLICKS they wish to purchase rather than a money amount, as my testers even got confused on that part.



<form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">
<input type="hidden" name="cmd" value="_xclick">
<input type="hidden" name="business" value="">
<input type="hidden" name="undefined_quantity" value="1">
<input type="hidden" name="item_name" value="WSN Support Sponsorship">
<input type="hidden" name="item_number" value="{SPONSORITEM1}">
<input type="hidden" name="amount" value="{SPONSORCHARGE1}">
<input type="hidden" name="no_shipping" value="1">
<input type="hidden" name="return" value="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums">
<input type="hidden" name="cancel_return" value="http://www.webmastersite.net/forums">
<input type="hidden" name="no_note" value="1">
<input type="hidden" name="currency_code" value="USD">
<table><tr><td><input type="hidden" name="on0" value="linkid"></td><td><input type="hidden" name="os0" value="{LINKID}" maxlength="200"></td></tr></table><input type="image" src="https://www.paypal.com/images/x-click-but23.gif" border="0" name="submit" alt="Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!">
</form>
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Posted 02/24/05 - 09:26 PM:
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I don't know. I've never actually used the sponsor function before.

Have to ask Paul about it.
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Posted 02/24/05 - 09:28 PM:
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If you want to set the price, you may as well just leave the quantity undefined (setting a quantity would be a different field than determining if a quantity can be set anyhow) and set the price directly. Change to:
<input type="hidden" name="amount" value="50">

Just tell people on the page that this is a purchase of 500 for $50. Of course, this will prevent any smaller purchases unless you make sepearte copies of the payment button customized for the smaller prices.

I would also like to add a text field reminding customers they must enter the amount of CLICKS they wish to purchase rather than a money amount, as my testers even got confused on that part.

That would confuse me, too, which is why it might be better to just use pre-set amounts labeled as "500 clicks", "100 clicks" or whatever.

Edited by Paul on 02/24/05 - 09:31 PM
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Posted 02/24/05 - 10:11 PM:
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Hi guys,

Ok that is a great idea, I will make a few different buttons for them.

Can you tell me how I also can automatically send them an email when thier funds are getting low instead of when they are completely out? Like say at the five dollar mark?

It is coming along really nice, everything is working great. Thanks for all your help.
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Posted 02/25/05 - 07:45 AM:
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Hi, one more thing, I know I can make a toplist to display all sponsored links to the clients, but I would also like to add after each sponsored link they have the funds remaining on that link. Could you please tell me how I would do this?

I would like to either add this to viewprofile,tpl or make it another page with a clickable link in view profile, whichever would be easier.

Thanks,
Becky
WSN Link Sites:
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http://www.tennesseelakevacations.com/directory
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Posted 02/25/05 - 12:09 PM:
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Ok, I think I am getting the hang of this, cause I answered some of my own questions already. I have two left.

1.)Getting the email auto sent to the client when his funds reach a certain level?
2.)When a member sponsors a listing, I would like him to be automatically raised to a different group level, "Sponsors", how do I accomplish this?

I have not figured out the answers to either of these.

Thanks sooooooooooo much.
Becky
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Posted 02/27/05 - 03:03 PM:
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{LINKFUNDS} should show how much they have remaining.

1) Not currently available.
2) Usergroup promotion is only done for usergroup promotion sponsorship. There's no way to combine them, short of messy hacks to paypal.php.

Also, going back to post #2, I should note that it makes upgrades much easier to keep the link types named regular and recip since they'll always be in the default tempalates. Doesn't matter what you use them for.
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